Hey yall! sooo im wondering what you guys think about tattoos...
I, personally, dont think they are alright. And basically my only reasoning for that decision is cuz we are to treat our bodies as the temple of God like they are, and putting ink into your skin seems like spray painting a church. Dont get me wrong, im not saying those who have tattoos are in the wrong by any means! Thats just my opinion, anyways, tell me what you think? -) <-- thats mr. alien face btw! lol
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justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/28/10 @ 11:33 PM
pg 4 has the hebrew and greek but its all messed up
justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/28/10 @ 11:35 PM
IT’S ONLY "FOR THE DEAD"
But by far the Christian tattooers favorite excuse for disobeying Leviticus 19:28 is the "that means nor print any marks upon you – for the DEAD". It’s ok, as long it’s not for the dead". See the "for the dead!!! . .for the dead!!!!".
Is it ok to practice satanic bloodletting, self mutilation or cutting of the flesh as long as it’s not for the dead? It’s in the same verse. . . Hmmm. . .?
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28
Notice also, the phrase "for the dead" is ONLY referencing the "cuttings in your flesh". The condemnation of "nor print ANY marks upon you" is not qualified by the phrase "for the dead". Also, if you’ll notice the verse clearly says "ANY marks" period.
Merrill F. Ungers, very popular and authoritative, Ungers Bible Dictionary under the definition for "Mark" includes the following reference for Leviticus 19:28:
"In Lev. 19:28 we find two prohibitions of an unnatural disfigurement of the body: Ye shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor any print any marks upon you. The latter (Heb. qa aqa, incision) refers to tattooing, and has no reference to idolatrous usages, but was intended to inculcate upon the Israelietes a proper reverence for Gods creation."
(Merrill F. Unger, Ungers Bible Dictionary, 1974 ed., p. 696)
Notice that Unger teaches that tattoos were forbidden without any reference to pagan, heathen, or idolatrous usages. In other words, the tattoo itself, regardless the reason, was forbidden. Amen. Brother Unger.
Wycliffe’s Bible Encyclopedia under the definition for TATTOOING distinctly says:
"While ‘cuttings in the flesh’ have reference here to mourning customs [for the dead], the tattooing does not appear to pertain to such practice."
(Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, 1975 ed., p. 1664)
The New American Commentary on Leviticus 19:28 writes the condemnation was for, "cutting the body either for the dead or with tattoo marks." (Mark F. Rooker, The New American Commentary on Leviticus, 2000 ed., p. 262) Explicitly recognizing the tattoo was not "for the dead."
Do you see how dishonest and disobedient this "it doesn’t apply to my New-Testament-Christian-marked-for-Jesus-tattoo" is? Find what you don’t like in the Word of God, cut it out (doesn’t apply to New Testament Christians) or misapply (it’s just for the DEAD, when it’s clearly NOT). Same tactics used by the satanic cults and heretics for years. You can prove anything and everything with such deceitful methods.
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justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/28/10 @ 11:29 PM
lol a christian web site that does not recognize hebrew or greek lolloololol
justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/28/10 @ 11:32 PM
THE "FORBIDDEN" HAIRCUT
One of the silliest and childish arguments to justify the Christian tattoo is the: "Hey man, do you get a haircut or trim your beard? God condemned getting a haircut or trimming your beard in the verse before forbidding the tattoo. Dude, the tattoo is the same as getting a haircut."
Believe it or not . . . this is a widely used argument.
Leviticus 19:26-28 is a clear condemnation of pagan, witchcraft and heathen practices. Look at the context. Verse 26 is plainly referring to "enchantment [spells or witchcraft] nor observe times [astrology]. . . Verse 28 is the pagan, demonic practice of bloodletting [cuttings in your flesh] and tattooing. Why would the Lord stick in the middle a verse that "condemns simply getting a haircut"? Of course, He wouldn’t. . . And He didn’t. . .
Leviticus 19:26-28 reads:
26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
The condemnation found in verse 27 of "rounding the corners of your head" or "mar the corners of thy beard" was the forbidding of a common pagan practice that cut the hair as worship and honor of the hosts of heaven.
Here’s how Matthew Henry’s and Coffman’s Commentaries reflect on the "forbidden haircut" of Leviticus 19:27:
"Those that worshipped the hosts of heaven, in honour of them, cut their hair so as that their heads might resemble the celestial globe; but, as the custom was foolish itself, so, being done with respect to their false gods, it was idolatrous." (Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible, Leviticus 19:27)
"Herodotus tells of the use of this type of haircut, forming what is called a tonsure, as the practice of pagan religious cults of ancient times who did so honoring one of their gods."
(Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testament, Leviticus 19:27)
The fact is. . . Up until a few years ago, virtually everyone, including the most liberal Christian, KNEW the tattoo was clearly forbidden by the Word of God. And throughout history, the tattoo has ALWAYS been condemned by Bible Believing Christians. Always. Every historical resource ever written on tattoos clearly confirms this fact.
"Just as occurred in other cultures with tattoo traditions, when these pagan tribes were ‘converted’ to the Christian religion, their spiritual and cultural rites (which included tattooing, piercing and scarification) were outlawed. . ."
(Jean-Chris Miller, The Body Art Book : A Complete, Illustrated Guide to Tattoos, Piercings, and Other Body Modifications, p.9)
"Whenever missionaries encountered tattooing they eradicated it."
(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 101)
"While these and other body modifications continued to be practiced underground as a way for non-Christian people to identify each other, God forbid you got caught and your mark was revealed."
(Jean-Chris Miller, The Body Art Book : A Complete, Illustrated Guide to Tattoos, Piercings, and Other Body Modifications, p.11)
Up until a few years, virtually every commentary written understood Leviticus 19:28 as an open condemnation of the tattoo. The Christian acceptance of a tattoo was not even considered for serious discussion.
Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary and Explanatory on the Whole Bible writes under Leviticus 19:28
"nor print any marks upon you–by tattooing, imprinting figures of flowers, leaves, stars, and other fanciful devices on various parts of their person. The impression was made sometimes by means of a hot iron, sometimes by ink or paint, as is done by the Arab females of the present day and the different castes of the Hindus. It it probable that a strong propensity to adopt such marks in honor of some idol gave occasion to the prohibition in this verse; and they were wisely forbidden, for they were signs of apostasy; and, when once made, they were insuperable obstacles to a return."
(Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Leviticus 19:28)
James M. Freeman in his excellent book, The New Manners & Customs of the Bible, says of Leviticus 19:28:
"Tattooing Forbidden
Both cutting and tattooing were done by the heathens, and so God forbade His people from doing so in imitation of them."
(James M. Freeman, The New Manners & Customs of the Bible, 1998 edition, p. 157)
Coffmans Commentary on the Old and New Testament under Leviticus 19:18 says:
"The cutting of ones flesh also characterized pagan worship as attested by the priests of Baal on Mount Carmel in the contest with Elijah. Tattooing was also a device of paganism. . . Christians generally disapprove of tattooing, despite the fact of the widespread use of it by many even today. In the light of what God says here, and in view of the history of it, it seems strange that anyone would pay someone else to tattoo him."
(Coffmans Commentaries on the Old and New Testament, Leviticus 19:28)
Charles R. Erdman in his commentary on Leviticus 19:28 writes:
"The custom of tattooing was forbidden, while among all the nations of antiquity it was common." (Charles R. Erdman, The Book of Leviticus, 1951 ed., p.93)
But Naves famous Topical Bible puts it best. Under the topic "Tattooing", Nave’s simply and bluntly writes: "TATTOOING, forbidden, Lev. 19;28" (Naves Topical Bible, p. 1312)
justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/28/10 @ 11:39 PM
DEFILING THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD
Most Christians, even the most carnal and backslidden, would never desecrate or defile the local church building. Even among most lost people there is a reverence and sacredness to the church building.
But. . . Did you know?
If you are truly born again the Holy Spirit of God dwells within in (John 14:17, Romans 8:9, 11) and your body is the temple of God. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 makes this very clear.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are Gods.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
And . . . Did you know?
The Lord warns several times of the seriousness of defiling the temple of God – your body! In 1 Corinthians 3, the Lord clearly and sternly warns against defiling your body – the temple of God. If any man defiles the temple of God – HIM SHALL GOD DESTROY!
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
My Christian friend, you’d better watch what you do with your body. It is the temple of a Holy God. You’d better not defile it with pagan, devil-worshipping tattoos!
". . . If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy. . ."
What God said – He meant!
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Numbers 23:19
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Galatians 6:7-8
Do you really believe the Lord Jesus Christ is pleased with a Christian wearing a pagan tattoo? Do you honestly believe God’s perfect will is for a Christian, any Christian, to be "marked" with a demonic tattoo?
With the unbiased documentation and Bible we’ve given (and we could supply much, much more) there is no question to the pagan and devil-worshipping source of the tattoo. Every tattoo historian I’ve read, traces the root of the tattoo to religious paganism. Every one.
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 is another warning against the tattoo. Notice the warning against the "fellowshipping" and concord with Christ and Belial (the devil). Verse 16 is very interesting. . . As it relates the "fellowshipping" with your body – the temple of the living God.
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 reads:
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
I realize in writing this, a lot of Christians (or so-called Christians?) could care less what God says. They’re gonna do what they want to do – despite heaven or hell. But there are many Christians who want to serve God more than anything – with ever fiber of their soul. I’ve talked to many, many Christians who were thinking about getting a tattoo. But after showing them the satanic origin of the tattoo they realized a tattoo was not the will of God. And it was for those "good and faithful servants" of the Lord Jesus Christ that this was written for.
His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Matthew 25:23
Friend, God loves you and desires more than anything you love and obey Him. He desires first of all obedience unto salvation by receiving the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:12). And after salvation, His will for you is to serve and love Him with all you heart, body, mind and soul.
You won’t regret it!
It’ll be worth it one day!
If you are truly a Christian and still have doubts about whether the tattoo is the perfect will of God, go back through this article with an open Bible and an open hear. Prayerfully, look up the verses. And before you start, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth" (John 16:13).
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2 Peter 3:17-18
Katie - 4/28/10 @ 11:47 PM
I am still standing by the pagan thing is not historically accurate. and if all that is true than you should not draw on yourself either. I am sorry this argument just got crazy and I did not read all of that, sorry. So the bible says I should not get my hair cut either, and shaving and waxing is probably out of the question. Not to mention dying your hair. Goodness too radical for me.
justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/29/10 @ 5:33 AM
""condemns simply getting a haircut"? Of course, He wouldn’t. . . And He didn’t. . ."" well accurate or in in accurate,me myslef personally i just believe we shouldent be involved with something with such a questionable history, in witch the bible indirectly and directly speeks aginst. but if somone doesent feel convicted and has prayed about it, i cant stop them, everyone is entitled to there own openions and beliefs, but we need to remember whos openion and belief is the one who matters and the end of the day. not our own. but his
PutHisBloodOnIt - 4/29/10 @ 5:43 AM
Ok first of all everything u just posted does not state that tattoos are sinful and we ought not to get them! Flat Out! Its simply just one of those topics the bible does not cover. Basically what you are doing is searching and scrambling through the bible and trying to find verses that SOUND like it backs up your belief! Its simply a matter of taste of whether you like them or not! Trust me if it stated that tattoos were not to be done I would have no problem obeying it. The old law was fullfilled not destroyed meaning you can still follow old levitical law but we are NOT bound to it we are NOT required to have to follow old levitical law. I myself do have tattoos but have gotten them before I was saved, and I will NEVER get anymore! Not because it is sinful but because I think they are tacky!
GenTLEmEn01 - 4/29/10 @ 5:19 PM
my brother has one. I dont think theyre alright to have b/c we arent supposed to mark our bodies and our bodies hold the holy spirit and are temples so I dont think theyre something u should mess with. so my answer would be no.
chels. - 4/29/10 @ 5:41 PM
Okay, here are my thoughts on this matter. Everyone has great points, I am all for it, if you want to get one go for it. Some people say the Bible says not to tattoo yourselves, but like someone said, people take that our of context, tattooing isnt like it was back then. I think if you are going to get a tattoo, have meaning behind it. Dont get a tattoo of a dragon because its cool. I want a few actually and I believe that now a days, people get tattoos ask about them and are interested in them. What better way to lead someone to Christ by telling them your story. I have a senario:
If you have a tattoo, there will be a LOT of people coming up to you who are interested in tattoos. They ask to see your tattoos. They most likely want to know why you got it, whats the story behind it. One may be a Bible verse and you tell them the story. They are interested and want to know more about God and everything about Christianity because it interests them.
Now say you didnt have a tattoo. Of course people arent going to see it so they arent going to ask you about it. If you never had that tattoo, and that person never asked to see that tattoo, you would have never had your opportunity to talk to them about Christ. I think if you are going to get a tattoo, get one with meaning to it, one with a story, nothing too bold. I think its pointless to tattoo your entire body because then it seems like you are hiding behind your tattoos and no one really sees who you are...well thats how I feel about them :)
chels. - 4/29/10 @ 5:49 PM
By the way...I plan on getting 4. 2 im getting for sure the others not sure it i should (*=ones for sure im getting):
-HE>i with floral designs and God in chinese caligraphy blending in with the floral design...something small around my wrist like a bracelet.*
-Puzzle piece that connects with the one my best friend is getting with me. My piece will be orange (my favorite color) and the heart inside will be aqua blue(her favorite color) and hers will be vice versa. :)*
-imperfect in nice writing between my back dimples. Im happy to be imperfect and I know I never will be perfect. It hit me that I will never be perfect so i should try and stop and be content with being imperfect...so thats the story behind that one.
-a music note behind my ear because music is my life and its something dear to my heart and I plan on persuing it :)
GenTLEmEn01 - 4/29/10 @ 9:18 PM
@chels I understand your reasoning. It just seems like by getting a tattoo youre trying to improve His creation. Plus if you really wanted people to be spiritually influenced by you they should be just by watching you. If they already are, great. But dont think that by getting a tattoo it will be the foundation of bringing someone to Christ. Is it a sin. idk. However, it just seems like youre saying God didnt create you good enough. You dont have to view it that way, but thats just how I view it.
Selfdeath - 4/29/10 @ 9:47 PM
Man i really would like to get another one but i read all those things Justin said about not gitting tattoos! i really would wanna do what god is tellig me to do! I find if Im fallowing GODs comands im less of a sinner. Arnt we supposed to be more christ like witch is to be "less" sinful? His word says not to tattoo our self or adopt pegan worship to worship God! Christ said if you love me you will fallow my comands! He also said this in Matthew5:17-19 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Katie - 4/29/10 @ 9:50 PM
@Gentiemen01:
Although some people may look at tattoos as improving your body that is not the way I look at them. I got my tattoos as a healthy way of self expression. Do they improve my looks? No, I dont see them in changing the way that I or others view me. They are just a form of art that I decided I liked enough to put on my body forever.
Japlace - 4/29/10 @ 9:56 PM
good word, Gentlemen01.
Chels. God never intended for us to have tattoos. if you did, we would be born with them! :)
As GenT said, people will be attracted to you if you have God in your heart. Those "secular" or "worldly" people with ink that you describe walking up to you will be attracted to He who is within you, not ink.
EVERYONE is looking for more in life than the "earthly things" . people want "supernatural things". things out of the ordinary, this that make you wonder, things that are not of this world.
And satan can provide those things, and he does, and his demons do. his deceitful ways attract many! "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:12
But God also has the ultimate out the ordinary ways! His ways are not our ways, and He actually attracts people! Those of us who have found Him are attracted to God. we want more and more of Him everyday. So if He truly lives in us, then He will emit His love though us.
As you said, Chels, you want people to be attracted to by the tattoo, so you can lead them to Christ. But God already has placed that attraction inside of you. :)
If you feel that you should get those tattoos, then by all means get them! (neat ideas btw) :) who am i to say no? i am nothing
But I just thought you may find my words at least a lil interesting ;)
justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/29/10 @ 9:59 PM
OT laws still stands: matthew 5:17-20
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
study it in GREEK it means the same..
until heavan and earth dispear? thats like in the back of revalations, so therefor it pertains to us
disapear from the LAW until everything is acomplished
law = nomou in greek = Torah = OT LAW
meaning OLD Testament! and no not everything has ben accomplished! witch means ot is valid
Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,
it may not damn you,BUT, it this is the OPPOSITE of being christ like, your barely skimming by, playing with your salvation like a game?
but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
isnt that what we strive for??? so lets uphold ot law and be called great, instead of offending god!
THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS HIMSELF
Katie - 4/29/10 @ 10:02 PM
@Justin:
I am still not finding where it says not to put tattoos on your body. It sounds like God is against self mutilation, not tattoos.
justin, a lowly slave of Christ. - 4/29/10 @ 10:37 PM
i already mentioned witnessing, it can be caused by things good or bad? just you can use a tat as a witnessing tool doesent mean its okay in the eyes of god. being world like to the world may attract the world and you may bring somone to christ this way, but this is not what jesus said we should do, we said we should shine a light to the world by upholding the teaching.
Proverbs 1:33 (New King James Version)
33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely,
And will be secure, without fear of evil.”
Proverbs 3:5-9 (New King James Version)
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct[a] your paths.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and depart from evil.
Katie - 4/29/10 @ 10:50 PM
So I did a little bit of research...Tattoos have been called "tattoos" since 2000 BC. I think that if God didnt want us to get tattoos he would have said so in the bible plain and simple. He seems to spell out almost everything else for us... Just putting it out there.