Christians believe being transgender a sin but how would they counsel a transgendered person? And tell them to repent...Would the church expect them to have another sex change to what they originally had from birth? Or expect them to continue living as the gender they feel they were born with only this time becoming saved and giving their life to christ? Was just curious because I know many of you are youth leaders...and probably counsel teens in your church about many diffrent issues. And since you believe gay,lesbian,bisexual,and transgenders will not see the kingdom of God...What would be your method of helping this person through christ? This question was lingering in my mind today when I was thinking about ex-gay ministries...What do they do with the transgendered people?...
DISCLAIMER:: This is just a question I am asking to put myself in your shoes...I do not believe being lesbian,gay,bisexual, or transgendered is a sin or is wrong...just trying to understand how the christians on this forum think
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30 replies on this topic
esther - 8/17/11 @ 8:43 AM
well, if God would say yes to all that God would probally create two men or two women, and i believe that if you we're born lets say girl for example, if God created you a girl well why would you changed you are born girl if you would suppose to be a guy well,God would've created you a guy there's a reason why your a girl and not a guy,he's the creator he never makes mistakes He's the God of gods the Lord of lords King of kings God knows whats best for you, He knows everything He loves you and He wants whats best fo you.
Why change God's plan for your life??
Alisha - 8/17/11 @ 5:36 PM
@joseBloodBought I have repent for certain things in my life and felt free from them but I don't see what I am doing wrong in God's Eyes. If God put me on this earth to have xxy chromosomes which is 1/2 female plus born intersex with female ovaries and ever since I was young people thought I looked like a girl.. Then you say admonish me.. No its not hate.. Its just a warning but all I can say to that is I accept God in my heart, and love him more then anything and he knows that. When people put me down I call for him and I feel safe. I was reading a devotion last night and it said when your hurt call for God and he will help you.
@esther I see where your going but I never said that did I, God knows all and would of seen this happen so like I said above I was basically born 1/2 female and he would of known that.. He would of known that I would have struggles in life from rejection and hate. Never say to me why change God's plan.. You do not know me and you surely do not know what God's Plan is for me unless you talk to God about my plan and he some how allows you to know. How do you not know that God made me this way to Test you and Test others. Like example.. My dad is a ex minister and left the church for certain reasons.. My family have always been very loving Christians which is cool.. But ever since I came out you can tell that they love me a little less and they even told me to my face.. Now isn't that wrong.. Jesus taught us to love everyone with all your heart..not part of it. Though my family know that I struggle in life because God gave this to me.. Yes that is what my dad said - a Ex Minister and PhD in Theology - God gave this to me and he is testing me and everyone around me..
PutHisBloodOnIt - 8/17/11 @ 5:47 PM
Hey Alisha go to this link and listen to this song on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_lrrq_opng&ob=av3n
Thirst - 8/17/11 @ 9:44 PM
First off, I stopped reading after people started discussing science being a fact or not.
To the OP's question, I would say this, let them know what we believe (that is, switching genders is a sin) and let them make their own choice. It really is that simple - it's their lives, they get to control it. Otherwise, we are no more tolerant than the Anglicans and Puritans from when America was first colonised (FYI, they were heavily into controlling the people and very intolerant).
Alisha - 8/18/11 @ 8:06 AM
@PutHisBloodOnIt I can't play that in my country.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 8/18/11 @ 8:43 AM
Oh I see it was just an uplifting song that I wanted to share that's all.
Manuel - 12/17/12 @ 6:11 PM
I am Transsexual but after reading this I am confused and hurt to know that I'm a demonic being for wanting to be what I feel and know I am a female born a male ...I have to now try and force my mind into retreat, So that through prayer I can relieve myself of this sinful lifestyle and return to the right path for the love of God and his kingdom. I have no surgeries just hormones for almost a year . I just pray that god can forgive me I had no Idea that this was wrong. I feel and think like a woman and to think that this is a challenge of Gods.To refuse temptation means to me "I must refrain from doing anything that is sinful or pleasing to the shell we call flesh here on earth because God will bless me with the piece and beauty of Heaven .
Joel - 12/28/12 @ 8:10 PM
Do not know if transgender is a sin, but this Biblically we know:
SOME EXTRA THINGS ADDED.
GOOD BIBLICAL COMPARE US WITH SOME TRAITS OF THE BIBLE, GODS WORD, TO LIVE BY:
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SEE WHOLE ONLY ONE ERROR GOD AND HIS SPIRIT AND BIBLE, GODS WORD SHOWN ME THE TRUE MEANING OF ADULTERY MARRIED PEOPLE THAT ARE UNFAITHFUL IN HEART OR DEEDS, IN THAT THEY HAD WRONG IN THE LINK OTHERWISE GOOD SITE LINK COMPARE YOURSELFS AGAINST ALL THOSE 50 SIGNS MUCH MORE GOD WANTS US TO BE CHANGED AND LIVED BY IF WE LOVE HIM BY HIS SPIRIT AND BIBLE, GODS WORD.
JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE BAR HERE:
Matthew 5:
TRUE JESUS CHRIST GIVEN ME THIS BY HIS SPIRIT AND BIBLE:
ADULTERY MEANS: YOU WHO ARE MARRIED SHALL NOT BE UNFAITHFUL IN ACTION PHYSICAL DEEDS OR NOW WHEN JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE BAR IN HEART, BY LUSTING DESIRE OTHERS :
Adultery in the Heart
27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old,[c] ‘You shall not commit adultery (YOU WHO ARE MARRIED SHALL NOT BE UNFAITHFUL) ’[d] 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery (YOU WHO ARE MARRIED SHALL NOT BE UNFAITHFUL) with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
MATTHEW 5 NKJM
ADULTERY CANNOT BE COMMITED IF NO ONE IS MARRIED, BECAUSE ADULTERY MEANS TO BREAK SOMEBODYS MARRIAGE, OR A MARRIED PERSON BEEING UNFAITHFUL EITHER IN ACTION IN REAL LIFE OR IN HEART, BY LUSTING OTHERS AND BREAK THEIR OWN MARRIAGES.
What Adultery is Yahweh of Bible, Gods Word, and his true holy Bible, Gods Word, Spirit shown, led to this information:
“Sexual infidelity(unfaithfulness) by a marriage partner is commonly called philandery, adultery, or an affair.”
WIKIPEDIA INFIDELITLY
To look on a woman with lust/desire want concerns married people no good could be adultery in heart, unfaithfullness in heart against their own wife or huspand or marriage, Jesus meanted to look on another MANS WIFE OR MARRIED PERSON……. IF A MARRIED PERSON TO LUST DESIRES ANOTHER MARRIED PERSON OR UNMARRIED PERSON, COULD BE ADULTERY (UNFAITHFULLNESS AGAINST THEIR OWN WIFE OR HUSPAND REGARDING THEIR MARRIAGES) IN HEART, WE LET GOD DECIDE THAT!
New International Version (©1984)
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
New Living Translation (©2007)
“You must not covet your neighbor’s house. You must not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor.”
English Standard Version (©2001)
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”
EXODUS 20-17
NOT ALL DREAMS THINKING OR FANTASY IS OF EVIL IF ITS AFTER BIBLE, GODS WORD, GODS WILL AND HIS TRUE HOLY BIBLE, GODS WORD SPIRIT AND NOT AS WORLD AND UNBELIVERS LIVE DO IN BED, BUT HOLY. BUT STILL SOME THINGS DO GOD TRUE OF BIBLE, GODS WORD ALLOW, ASK HIM AND TEST HIS ANSWER AND THE SPIRITS BIBLICALLY AND LIVE DO HEED WHOLE BIBLE, GODS WORD BOTH NEW AND OLD TESTAMENT BY HIS SPIRIT, GODS WITHIN HIS FEW TRUE REBORNS AND LIVE OUT ALL DAILY BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM, GOD BLESS, AND DAILY OBEY GODS WORD BIBLE, AND GODS SPIRIT WITHIN AND JESUS CHRIST, GODS SON, ETC.
I ALLOWED HIM ALSO TO HAVE ONE THINKING AND DREAM TO GET HORMONES OUT I GOD APPROVED THAT AND NO MAN OR HUMAN OR GIRL CAN REJECT THAT.
SEXUAL IMMORALITY INTERCOURSE THE SAME AS FORNICATION SEX BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN BEFORE MARRIAGE ALWAYS MORE THEN ONE PERSON, AND ALL OTHER SEX SINS BETWEEN MORE THEN 1 PERSON, OR EVEN WORSE SEXUAL SINS BETWEEN MEN AND MEN GIRL AND GIRL OR ORGIES ETC OR ANALSEX PROBERLY ETC:
BIBLICALLY TRUTH ABOUT ADULTERY:
AFTER YAHWEHS TRUE BIBLE, GODS WORD, SPIRIT AND BIBLE, GODS WORD:
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I ALLOWED HIM ALSO TO HAVE ONE THINKING AND DREAM TO GET HORMONES OUT I GOD APPROVED THAT AND NO MAN OR HUMAN OR GIRL CAN REJECT THAT.
SEXUAL IMMORALITY INTERCOURSE THE SAME AS FORNICATION SEX BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN BEFORE MARRIAGE ALWAYS MORE THEN ONE PERSON, AND ALL OTHER SEX SINS BETWEEN MORE THEN 1 PERSON, OR EVEN WORSE SEXUAL SINS BETWEEN MEN AND MEN GIRL AND GIRL OR ORGIES ETC OR ANALSEX PROBERLY ETC:
BIBLICALLY TRUTH ABOUT ADULTERY:
AFTER YAHWEHS TRUE BIBLE, GODS WORD, SPIRIT AND BIBLE, GODS WORD:
http://alturl.com/3wtao
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God is angry because all around us he sees FORNICATION and UNCLEANNESS and COVETOUSNESS. No person who commits such things has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ. ANY MAN OR WOMAN OR BOY OR GIRL WHO HAS SEXUAL INTERCOURSE EXCEPT WITH HIS/HER WIFE OR HUSBAND IS A FORNICATOR. In 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10 God says again that NO FORNICATOR SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body" 1 CORINTHIANS 6:18.
ADULTERY: Fornication when the woman is married to someone else. God says THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY (EXODUS 20:14).
INCEST: Any sex between near relatives, including in-laws, step-parents, etc.
See LEVITICUS 18:1-16.
BESTIALITY: Any sexual relations between a man or woman and an animal are an ABOMINATION to God.
See LEVITICUS 18:23-25 and 20:15-16.
SODOMY: Any copulation between two men is also an ABOMINATION.
See LEVITICUS 18:22 and 20:13.
LESBIANISM: Likewise any women who do "that which is against nature" (ROMANS 1:26).
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
Romans 1:18-28 (NIV)
"God's judgment on the Gentiles (UNBELIVERS AND FALSE CHRISTIANS WORDLY THOSE WHO IGNORE GODS OWN WORD, BIBLE, AND PEOPLE IN OTHER BELIEVS SYSTEMS AND FAITH WHO IGNORE JESUS CHRIST, AS GODS SON, AND FALLEN BABYLON CHRISTIAN BABYLON CHURCHES AND ITS FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN AND EVIL DOCTRINES OF DEVILS AND TRADITIONS EVIL OF MEN AND OF OTHER GODS ETC)
God's wrath is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness andunrighteousness of men who in unrighteousness suppress the truth.
It can be known about God is manifest in them, God hathrevealed it to them.
Ever since the world was clearly seen, his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature through the works he has created.
Therefore, they are without excuse.
Although they knew God, they glorified him not as God nor gave thanks to him, but were blinded by their false beliefs, so thatdarkness descended on their foolish heart.
They claimed that they were wise, they became fools.
They exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images ofmortal men, of birds, beasts and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them up so they followed their own desiresand ran all kinds of sexual immorality and dishonor their bodies.
Who changed the truth of God into a lie and made their way to worship and serve the creature more than the Creator, he who is blessed forever, amen.
Therefore God gave them up to shameful lusts.
Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.
Men committing shameless acts with men and were free to takethe just penalty for their error.
And because they did not see anything worth having knowledge of God, God gave them to an unworthy mind, that they might do things that go against nature. "
JESUS CHRIST, IS NO PROPHET!!!!!!!!! HE IS GODS SON, THE MESSIAH!
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It is written anyone that denies Christ as Gods son is an Antichrist Islam is and all other religions!
"Anyone who denies the Son doesn't have the Father, either. But anyone who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."
1 John 2:23
"Who is the liar, except he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ? this one is the antichrist who is denying the Father and the Son;"
1 John 2:22
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JESUS CHRIST, GODS SON OF YAHWEH, GOD OF UNIVERSE AND HIS, HOLY BIBLE, GODS WORD SPIRIT OF BIBLE, GODS WORD!
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John 14:6
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
JESUS CHRIST, GODS SON OF UNIVERSE AND BIBLE, GODS WORD, AND HIS HOLY BIBLE, GODS WORD SPIRIT SAID:
"I and the Father are one."
JOHN 10:30
JESUS CHRIST, GODS SON OF UNIVERSE AND BIBLE, GODS WORD, AND HIS HOLY BIBLE, GODS WORD SPIRIT SAID:
"why do you call it blasphemy when I say, 'I am the Son of God'? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world."
JOHN 10:36
IT IS WRITTEN:
Matthew 1:18-24 (Revised Standard Version)
"18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit; 19 and her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. 20 But as he considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; 21 she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." 22 All this took place to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: 23"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel" (which means, God with us). 24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took his wife,!
Jesus Christ is born or Mary virgin:
"New International Version (©1984)
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
New Living Translation (©2007)
Mary asked the angel, "But how can this happen? I am a virgin."
English Standard Version (©2001)
And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
International Standard Version (©2008)
Mary asked the angel, "How can this happen, since I have not had relations with a man?"
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Maryam said to the Angel, “How will this be, for no man has known me?”"
LUKE 1:34
New International Version (©1984)
The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
New Living Translation (©2007)
The angel replied, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God.
English Standard Version (©2001)
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
LUKE 1:35
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Japlace - 12/29/12 @ 8:56 AM
Longest post ive ever seen ^^^ for sure on this site.
I don't know if you still come on here Alisha, but I am curious as to why you can't play that in your country.
Is it because the internet browser you have has blocked it due to your country's WWW regulations?
Or does your country not allow that genre of music?
Or do you mean the link just never loaded, due to unanswerable laws that your country has placed?
Or am I just over thinking this...?
Thanks!
Alpha - 12/31/12 @ 9:21 AM
I blame rabid raccoons for why she cant play the video!