So, I had my facebook status as: "Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."" and a person who, by their actions, I do not think they are a Christian, but of course, God only knows their heart, so I can't judge. But she commented: "1 Corinthians 14:34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says."
What I got from this was basically her telling me to shut up, because I do share a lot of verses on facebook, some light, lovey and uplifting and some heavy, get your act together type verses.
I do not know how to respond to people when they tell me to stop sharing the Word or that it's fake or anything like that. What would you guys do if someone said something like this to you? Or in any situation where you want to be angry, but you know that God calls us to love?
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30 replies on this topic
Ariel - 3/19/11 @ 7:03 AM
@Jordan, at least it's not like it used to be, where you got notifications for each individual comment, lol, now that would be annoying! and I've never realized it's the same thing as Satan using scripture against Jesus, thanks for bringing that up!
@Tyler, where is the passage where God burned down a whole city?
@Sarah, and I did try, I tried to be respectful as possible and to not argue, but just have a conversation. I don't want to argue with them because it'll just push them away, but to rather express my beliefs in a calm way
Lex - 3/19/11 @ 9:24 AM
"she told me that she was saying that if i was going to listen to that verse, then i should be listening to all the verses."
Only right thing I read from her ;)
I think you might love this then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpmu42g6mDs
Jordan Dean - 3/19/11 @ 9:34 AM
Hey Ariel, is it okay if I post this conversation I'm having with Jasen when I'm done? I think it would be a great thing for a lot of believers so they can know some more ways to prove the Bible's truth.
Ariel - 3/19/11 @ 10:03 AM
@Lex, yes, that part was correct but not in the way that she was saying it. She was saying that being gay is natural, which I don't believe to be true. I mean, once you KNOW the truth, you should repent. If you don't know the truth, then how can you see what you are doing is wrong? Once you know, you need to take action!
@Jordan, go for it!
Lex - 3/19/11 @ 10:08 AM
I know, I was playing on her words
Rob Bell - 3/20/11 @ 6:06 PM
I would just let them know, that you enjoy sharing God's word and will for everyone and you will continue to share it through your facebook and if it does bother them that much, they can set their options so their feed doesn't show status updates or posts from you. I used to send a verse daily out to a group of friends and they all enjoyed it a lot and one day one of my friends asked me not to send her verses anymore, because she is having a hard time with life right now and grasping her faith and I told her alright and told her I am there to talk with her about what is bothering her with reading God's word and such.. don't wanna push people further, by pushing it on them. Open arms embrace, while closed arms defend and steady themselves to get pushed backwards..
Allisha R - 4/2/12 @ 5:29 PM
hey guys, well to be honest i didn't really read what this topic is about (sorry about that, i will later for sure) so i don't know quite what you're all talking about.
but because you mentioned facebook, i thought i would post what i wanted to say here, and probably on some other topics as well. at this point i'm now just copying and pasting this onto other forum that are talking about purity or facebook.
anyway, a few years back i was wanting to start a purity group page and fan page on facebook. i had a couple of people who were gonna be on board with me. i did a bunch of planning and split up different aspects of it to all my admins to in charge of. sadly none of them really did anything or helped out. so i got discouraged and rarely worked on it. i was wanting to get some stuff going before it was open to the public. but now i wanna start it up again, although facebook has done so many changes that it looks totally different and jumbled up, unfortunately.
all in all i just want to ask those of you who do have facebook to join my group page and fan page, and hopefully be active members to help it grow. as well if any of you are interested in helping out that be great. (warning there are some biased content on their, such as advertising for my youth group, but if i let you help out... maybe i'll let you advertise your youth group as well)
so here's the links
fan page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/-Purity/329523374569
group page: http://www.facebook.com/groups/330660462403/
With Love On Your Arms - 4/7/12 @ 11:28 PM
It was a long, hard process for me to dedicate my life to the Lord because of many things, including the treatment of gay people. I do believe in the bible and therefore believe homosexuality is a sin but I can definitely understand why some people may not like believers because of the treatment of gay people- or at least those who say they follow Jesus and then disrespect gays. As believers, we should always speak truthfulness without doing so in a harsh way. Ariel, I'm not say you did anything wrong but just need to advice you to be careful because some people who are not believers might twist what you say. (Matthew 35:37) THINK (Is it True, Helpful, Inspiring, Necessary, Kind)
Needy Servant - 3/21/11 @ 9:20 AM
@puthisbloodonit - i don't understand your grounds for saying i have a misunderstanding of this scripture, when other scripture is how i interpreted it. not only do we never (not even once) see a women standing alone teaching men anywhere in the scriptures except when Jezebel teaches lies and sin to the children of Israel, but Paul explicitly states in 1 timothy 2:11-14 making it as clear as day. you said you don't want young women thinking they can't be head over a church, but the apostle Paul said that they can't. i just found a great article that explains it quite perfectly, i will copy and paste here....
do read the whole thing if at all it would only take 3 minutes and will definitely clarify this topic.
"This debate has gone on in the church for for some time. Some believe that it's tolerable for women to teach while others find it unacceptable. The biggest issue in the debate being whether or not a woman can teach men. I believe that in this article some light will be shed on this issue. Let's start by taking a look at the main text where this debate is anchored.
1 Timothy 2:9-15
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (KJV)
In this text Paul builds his argument on the order of creation which is also referred to as the law in 1 Corinthians 14:34. The woman’s desire is to be after her husband and he is to rule, have authority and headship over the woman. While the wife is to be submissive to her husband, he is not suppose to lord it over her but rather he is to love his wife, even as Christ loved the church, and gave himself for it; (Eph 5:25).
Now when we look at the grammatical notation for "to teach" in verse 12 we find that it is a present infinitive which means that it speaks of a continuous or repeated action. So what Paul said to Timothy was that a woman was not to continuously teach a man, which would be seen as not being submissive (when looking at this verse in context).
Let us look back at verses 11 and 12.
1 Timothy 2:11-12
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (KJV)
Notice how verse 11 and the last half of verse 12 deals with women keeping silent. The phrase "learn in silence" is also a present infinitive. Some ask how can she teach continuously and remain silent continuously both at the same time? I have put the word but in bolden type because they are showing contrast or a difference between the women keeping silent during an assembly and women not being allowed to teach. It does not imply that a woman is to both be silent and teach, but rather that she is not to teach and remain silent.
At the same time, because the grammatical notation is a present infinitive, it would show that Paul did not say that a woman could not teach a man at all. So from a Scriptural stand point women are permitted to teach men, just not continuously. Priscilla is seen in Scripture helping her husband teach Apollos the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24-26). We even see a woman who laboured with Paul in the gospel (Phil 4:3). Note that in each case the woman was not alone when teaching, but was in company with a man, at least when teaching other men. What these ladies helped with was the gospel, so their labour appears to be more evangelistic in nature. There is no record of a woman teaching any other doctrines of the faith accept for a woman named Jezebel (Rev 2:20-24), who taught God's children to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed unto idols (from a so called divine revelation it appears). This woman seemed to be a self proclaimed prophetess. To say the least, her example was not good. She actually did exercise (usurp) authority over the man.
Paul here is simply prohibiting women from either teaching men in the congregation or from taking positions of authority in the congregation.
Seeing that this is the only passage of Scritpure in the New Testament forbidding women from teaching men I would be hard pressed to make this a core doctrine based on this one verse alone. When we do look into the Scriptures as a whole we do not see women teaching men in the congregation, though we do find that they sing and prophesy.
Some argue that 1 Corinthians 14:34 forbids a woman to speak in the congregation, yet when taken in context what Paul is saying is that the women are to keep silent in connection with the evaluation of a prophecy as discussed in the previous verses.
What does Scripture say that women should do?
Titus 2:3-5
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. (KJV)
We see that women are to teach other women on how to live the godly life, how to be a good wife and how to take care of things in the home. Basically it is like reading Proverbs 31. We see that their primary ministry is in the home. This is a very lofty work. Many a mother has had a great influence on their children that later have shaped the history of the church as well as the world.
In conclusion, we know that women are allowed to teach other women and children and that it is permissible for women to labour with men in teaching men the gospel, though it is not to be continuous. Whether or not a woman is allowed to teach men otherwise is not revealed in Scripture.
Moreover there is no support in Scripture for a woman pastor. I know that these words sound harsh to some, though they are not meant to be. It is simply the truth. The Lord bless these dear women for a heart after the Lord. They are doing it because they have been allowed to by the organized churches which are different than the church Jesus Christ established.
If you are a women pastor or know one, I recommend that you read my article titled "Biblical Elders" for more clarification.
Needy Servant - 3/21/11 @ 9:25 AM
and it is certainly not that i want this to become a point of contention, but i feel, as i am sure most of you do, that this site should be used to grow together as the body of Christ, encouraging, edifying, and strengthening one another, while using scripture as much as possible to do so. this topic is important to have a clearly scriptural point of view on. if i was unable to express this in my first post i do sincerely apologize.