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27 replies on this topic
joseBloodBought - 1/11/11 @ 4:11 PM
I believe that scripture explicitly supports the doctrine of predestination , but nonetheless you have not explained by any means of reasonable hermeneutic why you disagree other than using the phrase ,"I believe". The verse I mentioned clearly says that God allows evil. Not properly understanding that concept may create confusion for some one who is lost but for a regenerated man it is not foreign. i am not saying that there isn't personal responsibility but nothing, absolutely nothing happens outside the realm of God's sovereign will. Now I am not twisting anything you said ,merely responding and expounding upon itand don't believe I am suggesting that god produces evil. that dog has much to do with that, but if you read the book of Job you know that the devil cant act beyond God's allowance.
joseBloodBought - 1/11/11 @ 4:16 PM
Now let me ask you a question when was Jesus' first appearance in scripture?
joseBloodBought - 1/11/11 @ 4:26 PM
If you say Genesis 1:1 you'd be correct. All scripture is God-breathed. that means from Genesis to revelation every letter, line, and precept is equally as important. This mean that Jesus' words dont start and end with the synoptic gospels.
joseBloodBought - 1/11/11 @ 4:32 PM
Based on what scripture says of scripture it seems to me that predestination is a fact of scripture. Now let's not confuse my belief in predestination as total agreement with Calvinism but on this point and based my exegis of scripture I can't see anything that disporves it. This is regarding the scriptures many may use to refute it such as everyones favorite John 3:16.
joseBloodBought - 1/11/11 @ 4:40 PM
All in all may God lead us on this path to understanding.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/11/11 @ 5:08 PM
Yes I know I have to refer to scripture, I'm at the gym on my cell phone, so I don't have a full keyboard in fron of me so its hard to type a lot, I'm waiting on a client and I have a session so I will reply either later on tonight or 2morrow and will read over what you just wrote.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/12/11 @ 6:05 AM
Ok I was just gonna ask you if you believed in Calvinism or not. The reason I wanted to start with Jesus on earth was because, he words were well documented, and people seem to relate and understand his teachings when he was on earth, but we can get into later then, we can start with scriptures that people think prove predestination. Would Romans 8:29-31 be one that proves predestination?