this website ( www.sabbathtruth.com ) has some neat information about the sabbath...
what do you guys think about the sabbath switch from saturday to sunday, and the real sabbath & how were supposed to behave on it?
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19 replies on this topic
jay.me - 3/13/10 @ 10:14 AM
I think we arent under the law any more. ~I thought you were Catholic?
Daniel L. - 3/13/10 @ 10:26 AM
ummm no im not catholic lol, i attend a catholic church with my family to be with my family, but i am not catholic - i am christian, non-denominational.
Actually, contrary to popular belief - the sabbath is not one of the laws of moses. it is Gods holy day, not a jewish holy day or something like that
jay.me - 3/13/10 @ 10:38 AM
Ok.
I didnt read the page yet. Could you show why we should still observe days? =)
Josi - 3/13/10 @ 1:12 PM
i believe that Sabbath is very important, God gave it to us because He knew we needed a day of rest. As a matter of fact, during the French Revolution they tried to change everything to a system based on 10s and they changed the week to be 10 days, but it was unsuccessful because the people could go 10 days without a Sabbath rest.
Josi - 3/13/10 @ 1:13 PM
could not* sorry i forgot to put not in there
Daniel L. - 3/14/10 @ 1:36 PM
i was going to my parents catholic church today and i saw girlscout cookies being sold like right in front of the doors of the church... where is Jesus in the flesh when you need Him, hm? so they dont really keep up with their so-called sabbath at all, but do we?
does anybody here actually go to church on saturday rather than sunday, and know how to keep the sabbath?
check out this page: http://bible-topics.com/Sabbath-The.html
LittleMiss - 3/15/10 @ 7:50 AM
Does it matter what day you keep for the Sabbath? I personally go to a church that takes place on Sundays and even though I love to get together and worship with my brothers and sisters in Christ I cannot always keep strictly to it. I actually work at a C28 and we cannot close on Sundays so I have to make due with my days off to give a day entirely devoted to worship and praising God and just resting in Him. Does the day matter so much as you are keeping to His word and keeping that day of rest? I dont think its the day that matters, so much as you are abiding by Gods command to just rest.
Daniel L. - 3/16/10 @ 12:49 AM
the day super duper matters, actually. throughout the history recorded in the Bible, God often seems to care more about this than other things.
the sabbath is saturday.
you should check this out http://www.pathlights.com/theselastdays/tracts/tract_24c.htm
Daniel L. - 3/17/10 @ 12:18 PM
so.. im rethinking things.. lol
http://www.bibletopics.com/BIBLESTUDY/122.htm
hmm!
immanuel - 6/19/10 @ 12:25 AM
i recommend that you visit again www.sabbathtruth.com
perhaps the advance topics
i think it is so wrong to think that to still keep the sabbath makes Christs sacrifice unsuccessful... just as it is so wrong to think that not murdering or not commiting adultery makes Christs sacrifice unsuccessful.
The Law does not save... Christ does.
Jesus however said: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matt 5:17
Jesus came to save us from sin... not for sin.
immanuel - 6/19/10 @ 12:29 AM
also look for the videos at www.sabbathtruth.com
Josi - 6/19/10 @ 6:01 AM
btw the sabbath was not switch from saturaday to sunday, the sabbath has always been saturday, we as Christians celebrate the Lods day on sunday because that was the day the early church did, because thats the day Christ rose. The early church was mostly Jews, and they still observed the sabbath as well as the Lords day which are 2 different things.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 6/19/10 @ 8:22 AM
Going to church doesnt exactly mean going to a building. Church can be held anywhere and at anytime where 1 or more believers come together and praise and worship God and is in his word.
Derrick - 6/19/10 @ 10:58 AM
wow Im not even gona bring my opions im gona let God speak...
Hebrews 4:1-13
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
"1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. 3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
"So I declared on oath in my anger,
They shall never enter my rest. " And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." 5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
6It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts." 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters Gods rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.
12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
PutHisBloodOnIt - 6/19/10 @ 11:06 AM
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, that people were never created to serve the Sabbath. It is and was and always will be a precious thing of delight, something given to you, and me, and all of us, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. It is not a burden, though the false teachers attempt to make it so, they claim you have been "liberated from Sabbath keeping" -- the next thing? Possibly that you have been "liberated" from Grace!
PutHisBloodOnIt - 6/19/10 @ 11:16 AM
Some people grow extremely angry if you mention the Sabbath. Generally, these are people who consider themselves Christian, they go to church on Sunday, and they desire a relationship with God. And yet, they rip the Fourth Commandment off Gods tablets, a law written by His own finger -- why? Why do so many people hate Gods holy day, a day He gave to mankind as a gift, a day that Jesus said He was Lord of, a day blessed by God at the creation of the world?
Some people grow extremely angry if you mention the Sabbath. Generally, these are people who consider themselves Christian, they go to church on Sunday, and they desire a relationship with God. And yet, they rip the Fourth Commandment off Gods tablets, a law written by His own finger -- why? Why do so many people hate Gods holy day, a day He gave to mankind as a gift, a day that Jesus said He was Lord of, a day blessed by God at the creation of the world?
What is there to be angry about? Nothing. In fact, viewed Biblically, we see a very, very similar occurrence in the Bible, in that the religious leaders of His day grew very, very angry with Jesus when He clarified the Sabbath! They grew angry with Him because He did not uphold their man-made traditions that they had built around the Sabbath day. He showed mankind that the Sabbath is NOT about anger, its not about to-do and to-dont lists -- its a day about coming closer to God, a day about allowing God more fully into our lives, a day about honoring God and worshipping Him, a day to think about Him and uncloud our minds from the daily toils and stresses (and remember, this Guy clarifying the Sabbath, is the very same One that wrote it with His own finger upon the first tablet of stone!).
Dont be angry about the Sabbath. God gave it to you, as a gift. It is yours, just like every other persons on the face of the earth. And God gives GOOD gifts, not gifts to make you sad, bored, angry, bitter -- He wants you to have DELIGHT!
Then there is the other dark side of humanity, the jealous feeling that God might love others more than yourself due to birth. Think about it. Why do you think so many people down through the ages have hated the Jews? The answer is simple, because they themselves were not "born" Jews and thus God loves them less than the Jew . . . isnt that ridiculous? Biblically speaking, no one was ever born Jewish. It was something they "entered into," choosing to accept a relationship with God, choosing to allow Him to shape them and remake them, choosing to obey Him even if they did not understand Him. A true Jew was one in faith, one in spirit, one that kept the spirit of the law rather than pretending to keep the letter of the law all the while breaking it.
The law never saved anyone, it never had that kind of power, if it did, then Jesus wouldnt have had to die. But when we accept His gift, we are filled with the Holy Spirit, and God supernaturally leads us to keep His holy laws, they are good, they are wonderful, they are not hard, they are Gods will!
And today, if you say the word "Sabbath" people snarl at you. Sophisticated, gentle people, can be transformed into slobbering, slavering werewolves in the twinkling of an eye, because you have said the word "Sabbath." And then they add a word to Gods word for His holy day: "Jewish Sabbath," they snarl.
Stop hating the Jews. Stop ripping the Old Testament out of the Bible. Stop refusing the words of Jesus when He said that the Sabbath was given to mankind as a gift, forever. If the Jews have kept the Sabbath faithfully through the ages, then thank them. They have kept Gods word vibrant and alive, while Christians, for the most part, trailed out away from the path, following the tradition of man as opposed to the word of God.
If you are aware of the fact that God said "Remember" regarding the Sabbath, then maybe you ought to consider obeying Him. God has given you a good gift, not a burden to make you weary, not an annoyance to irritate you. Praise Him, for giving you good gifts, every good gift come down from the Father of lights. Accept the gift He has given to you, it is free, it is wonderful, and you will find that you actually take DELIGHT in His holy day, and just by doing what it naturally produces in you, experiencing DELIGHT, God promises to give you all the desires of your heart!
Trust in the LORD, and do
good; so shalt thou dwell
in the land, and verily thou
shalt be fed. Delight thyself
also in the LORD; and He
shall give thee the desires
of thine heart. Commit thy
way unto the LORD; trust
also in him; and He shall
bring it to pass. And He
shall bring forth thy
righteousness as the light,
and thy judgment as the
noonday. Rest in the
LORD, and wait patiently
for him: fret not thyself
because of him who
prospereth in his way,
because of the man who
bringeth wicked devices
to pass.
Psalms 37:3-7
Rest in the Lord, Sabbath in the Lord, the Lords day -- allow yourself to delight in the gift He has given you. Dont trust in people who would take the things of God and make them burdens, or teach you that you do not need to obey your Heavenly Father. That CANT come from God, can it? God doesnt say: "Obey me," and then turn around and say: "Forget about it." Maybe you dont fully understand the Sabbath, maybe you dont fully understand the will of God -- but trust in HIm. Dont trust in your own righteousness, because sadly, its no better than mine. God will bring you into righteousness, if you trust Him, obey Him, walk with Him.He made it very clear. He said REMEMBER.Rest in the Lord, put all your trust in Him, even when it doesnt make ready sense. The Bible does not say to ANGER in the Lord, it says to Rest in the Lord.God gave His Sabbath to the Jews, yes, and He gave it to His creation, mankind, for all time. Is it the Jews Sabbath? Yes, in the sense that they are Gods people. But it is everyones Sabbath, if they only open their hearts to receive Yahwehs gifts. The same as salvation, it is a free gift -- you dont work to earn it, you dont pay anyone to buy it, you dont send in your "love seeds" to reap a bountiful harvest...no, because it is already yours. Accept it, and believe in it. Accept a wonderful gift that is FREE. Theres nothing, absolutely NOTHING hard about this, confusing about it (other than all the jabber the false teachers are babbling, THAT is what confuses the Sabbath issue).
Accept God, and His ways, not the traditions of men, even if those traditions were meant with the very best intentions. Gods ways are better, and they are reality, and they are for us regardless of race or nationality or financial status or denomination or height or weight or depth.
fight.for.Christ. - 6/19/10 @ 12:01 PM
"Going to church doesnt exactly mean going to a building."
sooooo true :) church isnt a building at all! church is the people
daniel@seekGodnow.org - 6/19/10 @ 2:17 PM
did you write all of that PHBOI? are those your own words as you make it seem?
jake - 6/19/10 @ 3:22 PM
PHBOI that was some raw truth. i learned some stuff and praise God that its in a good perspective now.