the Bible is pretty clear that woman should be homemakers:
Titus 2:4-5 NKJV
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
1 Timothy 5:14 NKJV
14 Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
see, they are commanded to be "homemakers," and they are told to manage the house.
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37 replies on this topic
joseBloodBought - 8/18/11 @ 12:42 PM
Before anyone comments on this status I beseech you to search the scriptures, pray, and empty yourself of your opinion but base your answer solely on scriptures.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 8/18/11 @ 12:52 PM
Good idea because I can see many answers and comments coming based from feelings alone.
corro13 - 8/18/11 @ 1:45 PM
but lydia was a dealer of purple cloth, doesnt that make her a breadwinner?
andrea statler - 8/18/11 @ 3:55 PM
why are we on this topic...again? the roles of men and women are different, it says that in the bible. why cant we just leave it at that?
Thirst - 8/18/11 @ 5:27 PM
Based on the Scriptures above, I do not understand how you drew the conclusion of women needing to be homemakers.
1) Love husband and children, and the husband should do the same (of course replacing husband with wife), so this is clearly not supporting nor denouncing women and men having different roles.
2) To be discreet (not drawing attention to oneself), chaste (same with men), homemakers (note below), obedient to their husbands (just as wives should be treated with respect).
I think a lot of the conflict comes from term homemaker. It is essentially poor wording in today's culture, mostly due it having a negative connotation.
I may be wrong, however. I do feel I have the right to speak with some authority on this, due to me being a homemaker in my own house.
I clean up the house by various jobs, taking care of the cats, sweeping up piles, putting away dishes, and taking care of the lawn.
That would be today's definition of homemaker, would it not?
However, that work doesn't usually take more than an hour out of my day, if even a full thirty minutes. So yes, you can be a homemaker, and still do almost anything else you want (excepting sin, of course). If you feel like the wife should do it, you can go ahead and talk that out with her.
Personally, if and when I get married I'll make sure we agree before hand who does what. Oh, look, my relationship just went a lot smoother. A few chores is worth it.
EDIT: Forgot something
Japlace - 8/18/11 @ 6:45 PM
In the end, it doesnt matter who you are, male or female, but God wants you to be a soulwinner FIRST and foremost in your life.
The Great Commission:
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." - Matthew 18:19
Thirst - 8/19/11 @ 4:05 PM
Jake! I recognise you
Stephanie - 8/19/11 @ 5:14 PM
" 10Who[b] can find a virtuous[c] wife?
For her worth is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband safely trusts her;
So he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good and not evil
All the days of her life.
13 She seeks wool and flax,
And willingly works with her hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
She brings her food from afar.
15 She also rises while it is yet night,
And provides food for her household,
And a portion for her maidservants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
From her profits she plants a vineyard.
17 She girds herself with strength,
And strengthens her arms.
18 She perceives that her merchandise is good,
And her lamp does not go out by night.
19 She stretches out her hands to the distaff,
And her hand holds the spindle.
20 She extends her hand to the poor,
Yes, she reaches out her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of snow for her household,
For all her household is clothed with scarlet.
22 She makes tapestry for herself;
Her clothing is fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates,
When he sits among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
And supplies sashes for the merchants.
25 Strength and honor are her clothing;
She shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She opens her mouth with wisdom,
And on her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She watches over the ways of her household,
And does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children rise up and call her blessed;
Her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “ Many daughters have done well,
But you excel them all.”
30 Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing,
But a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands,
And let her own works praise her in the gates." ~ Proverbs 31:10-31
Lots of things in this list that most would not qualify as "homemaker" the way we use the word today.
Also, Taking one scripture alone (actually just 4 verses after the original scripture posted on this topic), one could easily make the claim that the Bible condones slavery :
"Slaves[b] are to be submissive to their own masters(Q) in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, 10not pilfering,(R) but showing all good faith,(S) so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior." ~ Titus 2:9-10
Just be careful not to pull one scripture out of context of the entirety of scripture.
I agree that the Bible seems to point to a women's role as primarily one of "homemaker" but if you look at Proverbs 31, it is also clear that the Biblical "homemaker" did not simply cook clean and breastfeed. lol. She bought and sold property and made clothing to sell in the market (obviously gaining for her family some form of currency or goods in trade, commonly considered "bread winning" today, but clearly something the Bible considers a part of "homemaker." She also "willingly works with her hands. she like merchant ships, brings food from afar." (Proverbs 31:13-14). Just saying.
Jordan Dean - 8/19/11 @ 6:06 PM
^ Agreed!
Sarah32 - 8/19/11 @ 10:30 PM
Funny enough, I was going to post Proverbs 31 myself, but Stephanie beat me to it!;) I think we can glean from the above passage that women were indeed involved with the financial ramifications of the household. Too add, I don't think being a homemaker means you cannot also work and bring in cash. I see nowhere in the Bible where it says women aren't meant to be "breadwinners" and help out the family financially. Being a homemaker isn't just a solitary profession for women (past and present). It's one identity they have of MANY, including working outside the house.
As Corro mentioned, Lydia was a seller in the market, Ruth worked the fields, Priscilla went along with her husband Aquila to do missionary work & tentmaking. (Acts 18:2-3 is one reference.)I'm sure there are more mentions to women working outside of traditional homemaking, but this is what's coming to me off the top of my head a the moment lol.
Thirst - 8/19/11 @ 11:31 PM
I support Stephanie's answer.
I like these verses, becausee they support what the rest of the New Testament says over, and over, and over... care for people. Those verses are an example of a wife caring, by doing acts of service (as in the love language), in as much as she can.
I'm fairly sure the examples Sarah is speaking of probably have some relation to the other love languages, after all, He did design the Bible for everybody.
Amber - 8/20/11 @ 1:52 AM
What if a woman doesnt get married or have kids? shes gotta make a living some how right?? just thought of that and i plan on having my own career and hopefully get married and have kids and i know i can do it all. :)
KingsKid - 8/20/11 @ 9:48 AM
Agree with What Sarah posted.
Rhian Rhymes - 8/20/11 @ 2:52 PM
wow. you guys are amazing. i was gonna say something but looks like you've said them all already... but hey, i think you have said enough about the "roles" of men and women :)
Victoria - 8/21/11 @ 10:44 PM
Agree with Stephanie & Sarah! :)
Thirst - 8/21/11 @ 11:30 PM
What happened to my comments?
Stephanie - 8/22/11 @ 10:02 AM
In addition to Sarah's comment about the Bible saying nothing against women being "breadwinners" and the idea of the homemaker being one identity of many, I would also like to add this thought:
The Bible talks about males being the provider, however, people often confuse the term "provider" with "breadwinner." I have already posted scripture to support the fact that Biblically the term "homemaker" encompassed some financial duties to be performed by women, but I also wanted to point out the fact that by limiting the Biblical male role of "provider" and "head of house" to the confines of the term "breadwinner," you also incorrectly portray men as merely "money maker" which is not their only role. This particular portrayal clearly ignores the role of men as Spiritual lead and all the other things a "provider" does.
I think that the original claim incorrectly limits Biblical male and female roles to the confines of monetary income.
jake - 8/24/11 @ 1:53 PM
I think someone deletes some comments Thirst...
Alyssa Faith Mark. Rep - 8/24/11 @ 3:36 PM
@Thirst- Some one must have flagged them, which means they will be deleted.
jake - 8/24/11 @ 3:39 PM
it happened again, but what i said really wasnt offensive. blunt maybe... lol