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ILLOGICAL AND UNREASONABLE posted in Get A Clue on 6/13/11 @ 1:00 PM by joseBloodBought

For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:8

What does this mean of the Sovereign Lord? It means exactly what it says. I was reading in the post about jealousy , someone tried to explain why God establishes covetousness as sin. The person attempted to suggest that God assigned it as sin because not being jealous is for our good. This is logically inconsistent because it would suggest that God establishes the law based upon man and man's benefit rather than Himself. If God established the law to the benefit of man then man would be inherently capable of keeping the law and in need of no savior. However, this is not the case. so then can we actually attempt to explain why God establishes certain commands?In the realm of philosophy this is called the Euthyphro dilemma taken from the writings of Plato. It asks ,"Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?" What some apologists suggest is that God does not arbitrarily assign what is good but what is good is merely an attribute of God's own character and thus an extensions of God's own morality. Good, but where all apologetics fail is the reasoning of men. See by man-made reason God's actions can sometimes seem inconsistent with what the law defines as moral. God can not lie and does not lie, but He did send a lying spirit into the mouths of the prophets(1 Kings 22:22). We can read in Judges and Samuel where God has sent an evil spirit upon men. Does this make God evil? No.God as Sovereign deals in ways that don't have to reconcile with how we think god should be or what we reason and logicize as moral. God ordering the genocide of the Amelekites seems morally wrong by the world's standard. Hardening the heart of Pharaoh intentionality to release plagues that would display His power and reveal Himself to the world, doesn't seem to many to be moral. Causing calamity and disaster. commanding His chosen people to slaughter and enslave others. These acts seem by human ethics to be totally immoral, and though we may attempt to reason them away we do so with no basis because our finite understanding can only explain the occurrence accurately but not the reason. At best we can describe instances in what has happened and not why. That being said that is the majesty of the Lord. He is not subject to our flawed ethical systems and moral imperatives. God is not indebted to give us total understanding of how He deals we must merely submit by faith.

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joseBloodBought - 6/13/11 @ 1:05 PM

I am not saying that God does not provide us with reasoning tools by His word and His spirit, but the Lord is inexhaustible and immeasurable and it is more accurate to understand how God works than why. Because often the why is far beyond our understanding. we can know that it is for God's glory and for the good of His saints, but the reasoning is incomprehensible.


Stephanie - 6/14/11 @ 9:09 AM

Amen.


Just talking about trusting God at a Bible study last night, and how we are to submit to God's will with an attitude of surrender and trust if He chooses not to reveal His reason/plan/thoughts to us. We compared Gods response to Job's questioning of God and how God rebuked Job in JOb 38 and 39 with how David questioned God in the Psalms. One thing we discussed was how David always questioned with a submission of his will to God. He always ended with something along the lines of "even still, I will trust you." Where it appeared that Job questioned with a prideful attitude as if God owed him an explanation.

The verse of the night regarding this particular area of trust was Psalm 147:11 "The LORD takes pleasure in those who fear Him,in those who hope in His mercy."

We talked about how God delights in our trust of Him, even when we dont understand. There was another time when Job responded this way. In Job 13:15 "Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face."

In this scripture it points to the same attitude David took. Job is not afraid to question God, but he submits to God's will regardless of God's decision to bring clarity in the situation.

:)


Jon - 6/14/11 @ 11:38 AM

@werfromthelight

very well thought out, his ways are higher than ours and we only see one angle on a subject whereas God sees it in its entirety


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