I was going to write this under the post about Cahtolics but I wanted to keep that one solely for the questions about Catholicism because I find it interesting so how do you all feel about the Book of Mormon. Just to clarify, I am not talking about the mormon faith. My dad grew up in a church that is not Mormon but does recognize the book of mormon as being a prophacy. Im learning a lot about it from a few friends of mine and from my dad lately so if anyone has any questions or would like to share their opinions, please do so respectfully. :)
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41 replies on this topic
Josi - 2/15/10 @ 5:02 PM
The book of mormon is a prophecy however it is a false prophecy that contradicts the Bible.
Nicole - 2/15/10 @ 5:08 PM
How so?
Nicole - 2/15/10 @ 5:12 PM
I havent explored too much into this faith I just know what Ive been told by a few people so I was looking for more than "its right" or "its wrong". :)
The NaMez ShawN - 2/15/10 @ 7:16 PM
I dont know a lot of specifics and I havent studied it for myself, but I have heard that we need to stay away from it. I would definitely ask Christians and see what people on here say. Ive heard that its contradiction, and I have also heard that Mormons are taught that they are saved solely on their works. Im not positive about anything though.
John - 2/15/10 @ 7:47 PM
i have done a little reading into the subject. from what i have been reading, it is completely false. the book of morman was supposedly another old testament...but there has never been any evidence for the locations in the book of mormans existence. they seem to be old testament stories with new names and places that arent real. also...Jesus visited america? nope. when he was in human form that never happened.
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=8741b1effb2ec5b1bcc5
this is another huge error...
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=24be0f4007bab0102e83
jay.me - 2/15/10 @ 7:48 PM
I know you cant believe everything you see or read about something, but this is weird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervaWt03Z3w
Nicole - 2/15/10 @ 8:06 PM
Haha just so you know, that video on youtube is based on the Mormon faith, not the book. :) BIG difference.
How are we sure that Jesus didnt venture over here? I mean, havent you guys ever wondered what happened out side of the area that the Bible is written about? Like after the tower of Babel?
Alpha - 2/15/10 @ 8:17 PM
I havent read it in several years, so I may be a little foggy on the subject...
Basically, it is the supposed history and teachings of some Jews that built a boat, and sailed to America.
"The book of mormon is a prophecy however it is a false prophecy that contradicts the Bible."
-Actually, I dont remember any contradictions. However, Ive only read it once, and that was years ago...so I may be wrong.
"Mormons are taught that they are saved solely on their works."
-I dont know Mormon Theology, but the book seemed to have teachings very similar to those of Christianity.
Tyler Justin Gallagher - 2/16/10 @ 3:00 AM
I know a bit about the Mormon religion, but not about what is in which books. From what Alpha has said, however, I do believe that the book of Mormon was the one that directly contradicts every historical and archaeological finding that pertains to it, very unlike the Bible, which is practically an archaeological textbook.
Nicole - 2/16/10 @ 11:08 AM
The man who found it had a 3rd grade education so fat chance that he wrote it.
Also, no one has answered me as to why Jesus couldnt have come to the americas. Havent any of you wondered what happened to the people that were scattered at the tower of babel?
Also, I found this interesting sight.
http://www.mrm.org/jerusalem
Nicole - 2/16/10 @ 11:12 AM
And once again, yes, the mormons might think that they are saved on works alone but there is a big difference between the Book of Mormon and the Mormon faith. The RLDS church that my dad grew up in disagreed witht he Mormons on a lot of issues yet they still believe in the Book of Mormon. You know how many times Ive been asked how may moms I have because people confuse the two? I just laugh at it :)
jay.me - 2/16/10 @ 11:28 AM
"The man who found it had a 3rd grade education so fat chance that he wrote it."
When you said that, I thought of the story of Muhammad, and how the Koran was told to him by the angel Gabriel. ... he couldnt even write, so they had to retell it until it was finally written down. LOTS of people believe that.
jay.me - 2/16/10 @ 11:37 AM
Is the book of Mormon an addition to the Bible?...Revelation is the end, and tells us not to add to it.
Revelation 22
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen."
Alpha - 2/16/10 @ 1:26 PM
"the book of Mormon was the one that directly contradicts every historical and archaeological finding that pertains to it,"
-The only real contradiction that I can think of, is that Mormons say that the Jews that sailed to America were ancestors to the American Indians; when we know that Indians were mostly from Eurasian decent.
"Is the book of Mormon an addition to the Bible?...Revelation is the end, and tells us not to add to it."
-It was supposedly written before the NT.
Nicole - 2/16/10 @ 2:59 PM
No it is not supposed to be an addition to the Bible and at the time that this... I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book... was written, the book in the sense of the Bible was not put together so it is refering to the book of Revelations. It also says not to add to the book earlier on in the Bible... but we did if you think of it as the entire book. However, I dont believe we have added on to each indivitual book. And Yes, Alpha is right in that it was supposidly written before the new testiment. It starts after the tower of Babel. And it is only a theory that these people were related to the American Indians. Not all people that believe in the book of mormon believe that. Its speculation.
Nicole - 2/16/10 @ 3:01 PM
The thing with the Koran is that it was passed down, supposidly the guy who found the Book of Mormon dug it up, put on glasses that allowed him to see the scripture, and wrote it down in their language word for word. Also, Im not saying this book is right or wrong. Im just wondering why people think it is wrong.
Josi - 2/16/10 @ 3:10 PM
sorry, i was going to reply earlier but the day got away from me, Ill have a bunch of stuff tonite supporting my previous post.
Nicole - 2/16/10 @ 3:17 PM
Thank you. :)
Thats all I was wanting was people to argue their point but with facts rather than opinion.
Josi - 2/16/10 @ 7:22 PM
First of all @ Alpha, "I dont know Mormon Theology, but the book seemed to have teachings very similar to those of Christianity."
-Mormon theology has a lot of parallels with Christianity, however they are complete opposites on the basic fundamentals that the Christian faith is based on.
ok and @ Nicole, I realize your talking about just the book of mormon and not the mormon faith, but the mormon faith is based on the book of mormon, and their beliefs directly from it.
ok now, things that contradict the Bible:
1) God is tangible flesh and bones.
This directly contradicts John 4:22-24 which states that "God is spirit"
2)God is a finite man who has evolved into a god of his own planet. This goes along with the mormon teaching that man can become a god of his own planet through mormonism. A verse that this teaching contradicts also has to do with my first point. Matthew 16:16,17
There are many other points I could put into this and many other verses to support my points. To be sure to give credit where credit is due, I got these arguments from the book Fast Facts on False Teachings by Ron Carlson and Ed Decker. Pages 163-180. They give much more defined information on mormonism and the book of mormon.
Once again, I know that you are trying to separate the book of mormon from mormonism, but either way, they were found/founded by the same person who claimed to have had prophecy from heavenly beings, then compiled it into a doctrine that is contradictory to the Bible. If the book of mormon which he founded mormonism on werent contradictory to the Bible then mormonism itself wouldnt be contradictory to the Bible.
To answer your question "How are we sure that Jesus didnt venture over here?"
If we truly believe the Bible(Which I do) then we know that Jesus did not come to the americas because his ministry is reorded from beginning to end. A journey to the americas would have been an extremely important and long trip therefore taking up a major part of Jesus ministry. God has a way of preserving His Word, and if Jesus had made a journey to the americas it would have been recorded in more than just one book. The book of mormon teaches about God in somewhat of a "hercules" type of story whereas the Bible teaches about God as he truly would have to be in order for us to have any true faith in any of His word.
If there is something out there that is supposedly true that contradicts the Word of God which also is supposedly true, well obviously only one can actually be true. If we truly believe in God and believe God and His Word, then we have no business trying to make something completely opposite to His teachings be true in our mind, thats where religions that are based on Christianity but end up completely different come from.
I realize that i could be clear on a lot more things, but if there is anything in specific then please let me know and ill handle them one at a time.
rEVOLutionary. - 2/17/10 @ 6:38 AM
yea, im gonna study about it, so that i can join in on the convo, but i have heard that the book of mormon is a false prophesy, and its is based on works...which is something that is the total opposite of the Word of God.