http://www.intouch.org/site/c.cnKBIPNuEoG/b.5301095/k.AC6/Is_America_a_Christian_Nation__David_Barton.htm
If you have time during your day, I would encourage anyone who is interested in the topic to listen/watch this.
It is not "Christian propaganda" which I'm sure is what many of you are thinking.
He simply tells the facts that many of us don't hear about anymore.
Please post any contradictions or errors you find in what he says... if you can find any.
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18 replies on this topic
Shelly-JCSO - 1/2/11 @ 7:54 PM
David Barton is great! I have many of his books.
Donald - 1/2/11 @ 8:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdhWitlgkd0
-sorry i didn't know the link didn't work
haha David is great!
blah - 1/3/11 @ 12:44 PM
America was founded upon deception towards and the attempted genocide of the Native American people.
blah - 1/3/11 @ 12:47 PM
Are you "proud" to be American? What did you do to accomplish being American? What choice did you have in the matter of where you were born? So why be proud of something that you have no say over? Being American isnt an accomplishment its a circumstance that we had no say or influence over so what exactly is there to be proud of? Go ahead and admire what others did to establish the country if you want but that has nothing to do with what you or I have done.
Donald - 1/3/11 @ 3:31 PM
So your saying it wasn't?
Donald - 1/3/11 @ 3:49 PM
Why?
JayB - 1/3/11 @ 4:43 PM
America was founded on moral principles. Some of our founders were Christians, but definitely not all of them, like some people like to say. However, our country was indeed founded on christian principles, not necessarily by Christians.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/3/11 @ 6:05 PM
Americas Principals, laws, etc were all influenced by the bible, the ones who come over to America wanted a place where they could practice Christianity without fear of being imprisoned or killed, along with that they accepted other who wanted to practice any other religion without the same fears.
As far us being born here yeah we had no choice, but when you become older you have a choice in participating in making the country what it is, for example you have the right to speak your mind freely, go try that in other countries see what happens to you!
Donald - 1/3/11 @ 8:01 PM
PHBOI-right on man! its just too bad that america as a whole is so immoral today.
Shelly-JCSO - 1/3/11 @ 8:07 PM
I didn't have the choice where I was born, but I'm blessed to have been born in America. I am proud to be from the most free country. I am proud of our military who protect us and our freedoms (like the ones to freely practice our religion). I'm glad to be in the place where I have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I get to make my own choices in life.
Whether a person living here is proud of being in America or not, they are benefitting and taking advantage of what she has to offer. America has its problems, that's for sure, but I love this country. :)
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/4/11 @ 6:22 AM
No doubt America has rebelled against God, government is trying to push God out of government as much as possible. But that's why there are people like us on this forum and million others of brothers and sisters in Christ who continue to fight the good fight.
Japlace - 1/4/11 @ 9:08 AM
Are you asking if America was founded as a Christian when the God loving and God fearing pilgrims landed? Or when 56 men signed the Declaration of Independence - almost of all of whom were Protestant Christians.
Some of ya'll are referring to two different dates. So to just clarify, Donald, what date was your original question referring to? (the question in your Topic Title)
joseBloodBought - 1/4/11 @ 10:03 AM
I think what we call Christian principles is a doctrinal error. Love is a Christian principle but because a relationship is founded on love doesn't make it a Christian relationship. Charity is a Christian principle but even the pagan's are charitable. This country was founded on Christian principles as much as the Mormon church is founded on Christian principles. Ben Franklin one of the founding fathers used to tear the pages he didn't like from out of the bible. That's not Christian that's moral deism. Lets not forget also that most of the founding fathers were masons and unitarian universalists they may have been nominally Christian but ones own theology tells more than anything. Do some deep digging.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/4/11 @ 11:11 AM
Werefromthe light is right, some even did not believe in the trinity, yeah the founding fathers had struggles with their walk, etc.... but our roots americas roots and the foundation the country was founded on was influenced by Christianity.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/5/11 @ 9:49 AM
Also I wanted to point out once we started government and started the process of becoming a new country,our constituition was created and on it are the words "in the year of our Lord" and under it was the signatures and ofcourse they were talking about Jesus Christ. Federal money was used to build christian churches, federal money was used to help spread christianity,schools used the bible as a mandatory reading tool to help kids learn how to read. If you read the first part of the constituition, it means that the U.S was to not establish a certain religion to where anyone would be discriminated because of their religion but it did not mean that government could not influence and help spread christianity using federal funds and property.
Donald - 1/5/11 @ 10:53 AM
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) — Governor of Virginia, first Secretary of State, principle author of the Declaration of Independence, and third President of the United States:
No nation has ever yet existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man, and I as chief Magistrate of this nation am bound to give it the sanction of my example.
Noah Webster (1758-1843) — Considered the "Father of American Education" and publisher of The American Dictionary of the English Language in 1828:
In my view, the Christian Religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed... no truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian Religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
William McGuffey (1800-1873) — American educator and author of the McGuffey's Reader, first published in 1836:
The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our prevalent notions of the character of God, the great moral governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free institutions.
The United States Supreme Court — Case of United States v. McIntosh (1931):
We are a Christian people, according to one another the equal right of religious freedom, and acknowledging with reverence the duty of obedience to the will of God.
Presbyterian Church in Washington, D.C., and Chaplain of the United States Senate, in a prayer offered before the Senate in 1947:
May it be ever understood that our liberty is under God and can be found nowhere else... We were born that way, as the only nation on earth that came into being for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith.
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969) — Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe during World War II and 34th President of the United States:
Without God there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first — the most basic — expression of Americanism.
Ronald Reagan (1911-2004) — Governor of California and 40th President of the United States:
America needs God more than God needs America. If we ever forget that we are "One Nation Under God," then we will be a Nation gone under
-Just thought i would throw in some sweet quotes.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 1/5/11 @ 11:11 AM
My gf llives in williamsburg, Va and when I go there to visit I got to Yorktown and see the battlefields and Jamestown where the very first settlement in America was a lot of it still stands and has the original foundations and you can visit the same buildings that our founding fathers were in and have secret meetings, there is nothing like that place I love it there!
Jon - 1/5/11 @ 12:24 PM
it was but it wasn't more of the founding fathers were deist rather than Christian. Still yet we have more christian principles built into our govt. than most