Did our founding fathers violate and sin when they fought against the british which was our government at the time, fighting against them and breaking British law? Read Romans 13 and think about it! I just heard an intersting conversation on this.
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11 replies on this topic
Andrew - 10/15/10 @ 6:03 PM
Yes they did seriously you can't have a Christian nation! you can't found it on Christianity because then we would have to forgive everything and never go to war with anyone. (Support Americas army but I am talking about the people who decide to go to war) A Christian nation can not exist without being destroyed.
jake - 10/15/10 @ 9:26 PM
A Christ following nation can however. If God tells us to march to war, it is wrong not to
Reagan - 10/15/10 @ 10:25 PM
What about sinful warfare? war between flesh and flesh? Its in the Bible
Andrew - 10/16/10 @ 1:58 PM
@ Jake you are thinking the old testiment we are now told to love our enemy's and "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic." So warfare is not really included in the new testament (excluding revelations)
PutHisBloodOnIt - 10/16/10 @ 3:44 PM
@ Andrew study that scripture and breakdown the true meaning of it "if someone strikes you on the cheek turn to him the other cheek" because I think you might have a little misunderstanding of the meaning of it.
KingsKid - 10/16/10 @ 5:21 PM
@PHBOI I have recently read something really interesting about this topic as well! This is how I feel about the subject. We should obey our authorities until what they say go against what God commands us in His Word. Then we might disobey, but we also have to accept the punishment that will/might be issued by the authorities.
PutHisBloodOnIt - 10/16/10 @ 5:44 PM
Yeah I have heard good points from each side.
jake - 10/17/10 @ 2:35 AM
Yeah, Jesus did reveal Himself in revelations as a warrior. Did He not command Peter to take up a sword before He prayed in the garden that He wouldnt be crucified? If God had granted Christ's petition to pass the cup off, Peter would have been filled with the Holy Spirit and defended Christ from His assailants.
It is wisdom to know the times of God. Jesus is both a lion and a lamb but when we only present Him as a lamb, people mistake meekness for weakness and it is a fatal decision. God is no respecter of persons and does not take sides in war, however He does command His people to go and fight.
Saying that, for someone to say that I am a sinner for fighting in Afghanistan or wherever the corps sees fit to deploy me, they say that the one who sent me is a sinner because "I only do and say what I have seen and heard." If so, then you and God are not in agreement and generally speaking, at least for me, when God and I disagree, it isn't Him who needs to change...
JayB - 1/4/11 @ 10:53 PM
I think as Christians, we are obliged to obey our God-given authority in government until a law that this government puts into place causes us to sin against God. Christ tells us to obey our authority and to do what is right in Romans 13. If we are truly doing what is right, God will be our ultimate authority.
Steven - 1/8/11 @ 9:37 PM
Too add to that Jake...remember, you are only following orders. Killing someone in a wartime situation does not make you a murderer. There is a difference between being ordered to pull the trigger by your superiors & being a murderer in your heart.
Jesus said being angry with your brother without a cause is murder. You are simply following orders.
God bless you and spread His wings over you. Protect you and your troop while in battle. King David was a mighty warrior and a bloody man. God called him a man after His own heart.
Japlace - 1/8/11 @ 10:33 PM
The British was a taxing monster!! Id run too!!! ;P
But seriously, I think some valid points have been mentioned. Not sure where I stand on this, so i will keep my opinion to myself to I have a clearer answer.
God bless!